letting us into your homes for another week of shows. we are so grateful. "the beat" with katie fang is in for ari. >> thank you so much. welcome to "the beat." i'm katie. today, trump filing a long-shot peat before the georgia supreme court, seeking to disqualify the fulton county d.a. bonnie willis just days after she seated the grand jury that would consider any criminal charges. it centers on a pressure campaign on georgia's republican

secretary of state, some of it heard on the infamous phone call. >> so, look, all i want to do is this -- i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> now, trump is desperate to derail the investigation, because he knows what might be coming. a final decision on criminal charges from the georgia grand jury is expected before the end of the summer. all of this as special counsel jack smith's probe into january 6th is heating up, now faithful trading trump's inner circle, interviewing dozens of witnesses, people like trump's former attorney general, rudy giuliani, mark maddows and former vice president mike pence, who was one of the targets of the violent mob at the capitol that day.

growing list of witnesses including hope hicks, and his son-in-law jared kushner, who were reportedly asked pointed questions about trump's criminal intent. they also spoke to the january 6th committee. >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> my interested was -- i took it as just whining, to be honest with you. >> he said something along the lines of, um, you know, nobody will care about my legacy if i lose, so that won't matter. the only thing that matters is winning. >> joining me nour is kirk bar della "los angeles times" contributor, and catherine

christian, a veteran of the manhattan d.a.'s office. thank you for being here. catherine, first to you, your thoughts on the last-ditch effort to this -- this is a long shot, hail mary coming from donald trump, in my opinion. >> in my opinion it's not a hail mary, but a legal joke, quite frankly. it was hard getting through it. it wasn't a long filing. they're seeking to, they say, quash the grand jury report. they're seeking to forbid the d.a. from using any evidence that was obtained from the special grand jury, and then disqualified the d.a. they're basically asking the georgia supreme court police don't let the fulton county d.a. to indict me. they're uses a writ of mandamus, which is completely inappropriate. they do have a remedy.

if the grand jury does indict mr. trump, you move to dismiss the indictment. so it's a hail mary, joke, whatever you want to call it. i do not think it will work. i don't know the georgia supreme court, but it's hard to believe they would take this seriously. >> kirk, do you think it's hyperbolic when i say trump is panicking, because all this points to that reality. >> i'm thinking about to chris christie said, the one thing he observed about donald trump is that he's absolutely terrified of going to jail. every night he lays his head down and thinking what it might be like to think about what it sounds like with the jail door. it's the first time he's been in the public spotlight, where fear will be the driving thing

behinds his actions, rhetoric and posture. as we see this hail mary attempt in georgia, you know, it just illustrates for everybody that donald trump is terrified of going to jail. >> i agree. >> we've also have michael cohen say the same thing, the fear of jail is actually something that's a driver for donald trump. i want to say with you for a second. trump could be facing two criminal cases soon. so can somebody like donald trump continue to rely on his inner circle if the inner circle is continuing to testify against him, either voluntarily or otherwise? >> i think that the walls have been closing in on donald trump this entire time. almost every single person who has worked for, either served the campaign and the white house at some point, they ended up testifying before a grand jury of some kind. when you go work for donald trump, you better have a lawyer

fund set up, because you're going to need it. i don't know that he has anyone he can actually really trust when every single person that works with him ends up having to be a corroborating witness to his alleged crimes. >> catherine, so if he has these people that are working around him and they're all having to go testify, or they have to be involved in the legal system one way or another, we know the p.a.c. is paying for a lot of the legal fees, it seems toby closing in on the inner circle. how are you leading the tea leaves inside this investigation, especially considering the kinds of questions that are being posed to these witnesses? >> we actually don't know who has flipped and who hasn't, or

who has been promised, if you tell us the truth, we won't indict you. clearly anyone who is cooperating will no-go in public to say i cooperated. what the special counsel is doing and what prosecutors do is you put these people into the grand jury, you know have them testifying under oath, and they have a statement that we call is locked in now, so if they decide to flip back and become a defense witness, you now have this grand jury testimony where you can say on this days, didn't you say this exact opposite. what you also have, unless you're just a stone-cold criminal, it makes you, once you're told that you can't be indicted for perjury, you will tell the truth. they have seen what has happened. there are lawyers attached to donald trump who surprisingly they did things basically throwing their law license away.

they have lawyers facing disbarment. rudy giuliani has been suspended from practice of law in new york. he went in for an interview, a proffer session with jack smith. we don't know what he said. you know, he's actually the one who leaked on that he went to the proffer session. so you get these people in the inner circle to hopefully tell the truth under oath or come to you with a proffer session, and basically say you're a subject of an investigation, we could indict you, but if you tell us the truth on this particular day, anything you say will not be used against you. we want you to come clean, to be what we call the quine of the day. if we indict you, we'll offer you a lesser plea, a lesser crime. i think what the special counsel is doing is very brilliant. he's sort of locking everyone

in, sort of closing the walls around donald trump. i do agree with kurt and with chris christie, he clearly is terrified of going to prison. he's fortunately found witnesses who are willing to file frivolous motions on his behalf to hopefully delay the inevitable. >> what do we do with somebody like jared kushner, from what we've been told in reporting, he went to the grand jury, dealing with the jack smith grand jury, and when being asked, did donald trump know he lost that elect and still pursued this fake scheme? from what we're told, jared kushner said it looked to me like he believed -- he's not saying flat-out, yeah, he knew he lost but he still wanted to

pursue, and as a footnote he knows a lot about what was fund raised, but jared curb her plays this dance. if there are witnesses like that, kurt, testifying under oath, even with threats of perjury, prosecution, is it really creating a bit of a problem for somebody like jack smith? >> i can see how that might be the case, but one, jared better hope that jack smith doesn't have other witnesses who said, oh, yeah, i heard him say he knew he lost. jared kushner doesn't know what jack smith knows, that's a precarious prison. if you're a donald trump, and the only -- people who do that have no scruples, they have no morals. that also means they have no loyalty. they are not going to go to jail

for donald trump. i guarantee you they're not loyal people, they're all about self-interest. they will always choose self-interest over donald trump. if i'm donald trump, i'm very nervous if the only thing between you and jail is rudy giuliani. >> what's the saying, if you lie do you think with dogs, you get up with fleas. thank you both for getting us started. i appreciate you guys. >> thank you. coming up, hollywood is grind to go a halt as the actors join the writers in going on strike. the one and only richard kind will join us. and how ron desantis is trying to, quote, reset his flailing campaign. and why there may be a third indictment coming in the classified documents probe. all of that and more when we're

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developments in the mar-a-lago case. jack smith is widening his probe, telling a staffer they are a target of the probe and could be facing criminal charges. "new york times" reporting the employee received a letter in the past few weeks after appearing in may before a federal grand jury. prosecutors are scrutinizing whether the testimony was truthful. i want to note, nbc news has not confirmed this reporting, but this aggressive move proves jack smith will leave no stone unturned, even if it takes down others in trump's orbit. take michael cohen, for example, and allen weisselberg.

they both pled guilty and served time behind bars for crimes committed during their time working for donald trump. jax smith is probing another employees, and will nauta, walt is his codefendant and alleged co-conspirator. smith's team asked for a december jury trial date. that was after trump's defense teamed asked for the trial to be delayed until at least after the 2024 election. jack smith slamming that request, saying there's no basis to proceed in such an open-ended fashion, and calling trump's reasoning, quote, a baseless legal argument. joining me now is state attorney for palm beach county, florida. david, always so good to have you on the show. your thoughts on what could be yet another indictment coming

down the pipeline in this case? >> good to be with you, katie. one thing that prosecutors hate is when people lie to us, especially if you're a federal prosecutor. you have an employees at mar-a-lago who reportedly helped move the boxes. once you lie to the feds, that's a problem. that's what got walt nauta in trouble. here the employee has made some interesting comments. according to reports, he apparently asked the i.t. department how long they keep the videos, and where the cameras are. those don't seem to be innocent questions. it seems to be a consciousness of guilt. so the fed thinking they were lie to go him during the interviews, or are suspicious because of questions he asked the i.t. department. if they don't get this guy to flip, they're going to charge

him, and can use him not only against donald trump, but against walt nauta when it comes to obstruction. >> let's talk strategy then. you indict this employees, incentivize him to flip, maybe he'll agree prior to indictment, but does jack smith really need this guy's cooperation, all things considered? how much do you need a guy like this low-level employee? >> it's a fair point. i don't think that the prosecutorors really need him or walt naufa. walt thinking he may have leverage, but he doesn't. the longer he waits, the worse of a deal he gets. there's an odd adage, first in, first to win. he has evan corcoran's notes.

he halls donald trump's lawyer's notes. he got them because of a client fraud exception. i don't think they need this individual. it might be good to have them. they would like an airtight case, but they have other stuff that to me is more compelling. >> let's talk about this trial. you and i have tried a lot of cases through our careers. we know what it's like with a pending trial date. trial dates get set so you can walk back from that. let's say it's set in december, deadlines get set to make it to trial in december. what is your call as to what you think the judge will do. she originally set an august case. the doj is acting to continue to december. how realistic do you think it is that she said that's another four-plus months and i agree with the doj?

>> i think this is judge cannon 2.0. she ruled every time for donald trump, and had to get repudiated by the eleventh circuit court of appeals. now i think she's been chastened. i do not think she's going to give trump's request. i think the doj's request for december is a bit expedited, but i think that the judge is more likely to post ton it bit by bit, essentially could be death by a thousand paper cuts, where it could be delayed little by little, but to give what trump says, postpone it indefinitely, i think that's ridiculous and that would get her reversed. >> in the department of justice's reply in support of its continuance, it actually

cites the eleventh circuit activity that happened. trump's side says there's all these issues of law that need to be adjudicated, and the doj says the novel issues have been dealt with by the eleventh circuit already. do you think they that the judge will have an out provided to her to be able to give time to donald trump's side to process all those classified documents? >> i do think it's going to be tough to try this case before the election, because of all the classified documents. you have to get clearances. the tie always goes to the defendant. they'll always give more time to the defendant based on the sixth amendment right to a fair trial they shouldn't give an indefinite any postponement.

i still think it's possibly before the election, just not all that likely -- i mean trump's strategy all along is to delay delay delay, so his -- what was that comment you mentioned earlier? it's just ridiculous where he's trying to say, look, although my arguments are against the law, they're novel. i want, as a prosecutor, to go against the law and say, no, no, i'm not going against sitting law, this is novel. no. wrong is wrong and trump is trying to delay things. >> dave, thank you i appreciate you being here. >> thanks, katie. tomorrow there's an extra hour of "the beat," with bob woodward. again, tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc.

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maybe it's those tired old talking months, or maybe it's just dud-santis. i made it up myself. it's a good one, though? >> no, it's pretty good, katie. >> you're a numbers guy, right? trump is up in some places by 25 to 30 points over desantis. even in florida, trump has a 20-point lead over desantis. isn't trump supposed to be a -- >> not only do the numbers not lie, katie, we have reached the point of unprecedented lead for anyone, really, running this late. to have this lead, i don't think we've seen it relinquish in the last 50, 60 years.

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the winter to now severe drought conditions. that was meteorologist in iowa, whose climate change report resulted in him receiving death threats. he's now speaking out. in a moment, i'm going to talk to him live. first, some context. more nan one third of americans were under extreme heat alerts. this weekend california's death valley could hit the hotter temperature on earth in modern history, over 130 degrees. in the midwest, at least 11 tornadoes touched down near chicago. vermont is now braising for even more rain after historic storms caused catastrophic flooding. in canada wildfires continue to burn, threatening parts of the united states with poor air quality. these are the events that scientists have long warned us

about. chris gloninger reported on it on air. >> we have some low 90s, and poor air quality because of those fires. again, as the planet warms, a lot of these fires are gaining steam, seeing explosive growth because of warming planet. here's why it is important to be stewards of the earth. we have now reached or 529th consecutive month with. >> that reporting resulted in death threats from a view, who accused him of a biden hoax. he resigned from his job, saying the death threats were a direct result of my decision to talk about climate change on television. joining me now is chris gloniger former meteorologist at kcci.

i want to start by asking you, why did you thing it was so critical to explain for your audience so they better understood how climate change and extreme weather events were connected. >> thanks for having me. i started this when i was at nbc in boston. i started the first weekly series. a lot of positive feedback. then i went into the lion's den where they're at the mercy of mother. 11% of the gdp in iowa is based on agriculture. 65% of the grid is won by wind, so it seemed to make sense we would be connecting the dots. >> being faced with repeated harassment and death threats resulted in you being diagnosed

with ptsd. you also left journalism altogether. why do you think there's a visceral intensity that we're hearing and seeing from a select group? >> since 2016, katie, there's been a population that's been entitled and emboldened to unleash hate. if you look at some of the networks out there, their guests they have on, they talk about climate changes are self-proclaimed experts. i'm not sitting at home getting medical advice by looking at web mt. or google, but that's why they have the guests on, because the entire scientific community states with facts and data that climate change is not only real, it's driven by humans. we've had this effect now over

the last handful of decades, since the industrial revolution, katie. >> chris, i wanted your expertise, though. let's talk about how extreme the weather has been. what is this connection, though, who this insane heat that's going on across parts of the united states, but simultaneously the amounts of rain and flooding that we're seeing at the same time? >> it's a pretty easy formula. for every degree of warming that the atmosphere warms, there's about 7% more moisture in it. it manifests in heavy rains. what we've seen in recent years, a lot of research shows that we'll see increase in his heavy rain events, but it's more than just that. the ocean's water is also very warm. look what's going on in the florida degrees. it's about two degrees cooler than a hot tub.

we can give you a bigger picture with ice cores and ocean sediment, and that gives us a picture of the changes we are seeing. i tell people, you know, there were palm trees in the north pole, but before humans were on the planet. it happens that the warming we're seeing is because of us, and it's the rate of warming that is so dramatic since humans started inhabiting the planet. >> chris, i want to say thank you. i appreciate you being here. keep on speaking the truth about the science, because that's important, despite what happens. thanks for the time to be with us. i appreciate it. >> thanks, katie have a great weekend. you too. still ahead, hollywood shuts down in a way that hasn't happened in decades. actors and writers together now on strike. the one and only richard kind

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drescher announcing the strike. this is the scene that was outside netflix headquarters, a double whammy with the writers guild already on strike, this is one of the biggest labor destructions in american history. >> if the leaders are saying the deal isn't fair, we have to hold strong. >> very much in support of them. >> it really is about support of the wga, because they came out -- they're the ones who are not being paid properly. we have our own issues. one is the a.i. issue. >> it's a new type of business that's just not working for most people. >> we have to protect the people who are on the margins. if those residual payments dry you will, so does the health

care. >> the producers across the table -- we need to really talk about what is at stake. some of the issues are specific to the entertainment industry, like the impact of streaming, but it's also hitting issues familiar to millions of americans, from skyrocketing ceo salaries, health insurance for working actors, and the roll of artificial intelligence in the workplace. joining me is the incomparable richard kind, key role on "mad about you" appears in shows like "curb your enthusiasm" and "big mouth." >> it would have been nice if you called. >> you know, i was busy, i couldn't see. >> no, no, i'm not talking about that. just call me. >> what's the difference? i don't see the logic. >> you know what i'm talking

about. >> mile scallops are ice cold. >> maybe you should stop eating scallops. >> and let the scallops win? ha! they would love that. >> we could have just kept going, but tacks here. in your view, what does this fight really boil down to. >> let me say that everything that i say is my opinion, and if you want the greater details, you can find them on the s.a.g. website. these are very important issues that a dumb old actor is going to spout off about, but i do have my opinions. first and foremost is this is a long time coming. i'll tell you why. technology has changed over the years. the actors and the writers have been a step behind the producers.

it goes back to dvds. it goes back even earlier, beta and vhs. then it went to cable. then it went to streaming. who knows where it's going to go. for some reason this time we are lucky that we are on the same platform as the producers, as far as technology. they don't know and we don't know, and we're discovering it at the same time. and i think that's very important. the world doesn't know what a.i. can be. so it's not just important for actors. it's important for the rest of the world. these are really serious issues. that's what i'm here to talk about. >> richard, what would you say to people who hear the world hollywood, they immediately think in fairness, i guess, glitz and glam, right? but they don't really realize what the industry is like for most working actors and writers,

right? >> absolutely true. as one actor once put it, the actor's job is to look for work. and actor's vacation is what he's working. we love doing what we do. and we have loved it for years. but all of a sudden, the world has caught up to us. and we find ourselves not being compensated, certainly with health care. the changes for s.a.g. health care are enormous. it used to be if you had a body of work, you got residuals. and if you're over the age of 70, 75, when health care is really important, your residuals used to be the income, and you were measured by that. nowadays, that does not lend itself to health care. what do we do at age 75 when people can't get hired? that's a very -- we all know what it's like to pay for

insurance. what do you do in that time? there is glitz and glamour because people want to see glitz and glamour. that's what draws them to the movies and to tv. but when you're playing in our playground, the worst thing you do is sit around on a set and wait and wait and wait. as an actor once said, i get paid to wait. the acting i do for free. we love acting. but it's a job. it ain't all glitz and glamour. and that's -- so i'm addressing that, that question. >> so richard, the cartoon bojack horseman did a satire about producers creating a.i. versions of actors. take a quick listen to it. >> okay. >> hold still please. terrific. we got it. >> one day, that's going to be the actor's whole job, just sitting in a room for five seconds while a machine scans

its face and five months later. >> scanning a performer's image and using it in perpetuity for a half a day's pay. >> richard, i played that clip because a.i. and the idea it could replace actors has become a sticking point in the negotiations on both sides. and it's interesting because on the other side of this, they're just flippantly saying that's what we're going to do, scan a face, give you a little bit of comp, and that's going to be how we're going to go about this. what are your additional thought about, because you have already talked about how technology has kind of caught up with the industry. but this is actually a suggested solution that's coming from the other side of the picket line. >> i heard that robert downey has copyrighted his voice, and i don't know whether it's patented or copyrighted or whatever it is, because they can use it any way they want in the marvel universe.

now, they can't all of a sudden. what do you think about it? i'm a dumb actor, right? i memorize lines, i'm playing pretend. i don't know all of these logistics, but i got to admit, producers and -- they went to law school. they went to business school. they don't need to play pretend. they have got it in front of them, and now it's up to us to step up to the plate, just like the producers is, and it's an inflection point and it happens to be a great time because our contracts are up at the same time that this a.i. technology is coming to the forefront. it's a lucky thing. we were always very unlucky. we were a year and a half behind it. now, we're right there. and so these decisions are important. so what do i say about it? let's not settle until we all know the details. we must educate ourselves on the

issues. which is what the union is doing, and it's what the industry is doing behind the camera, and then we must come to terms because we got left behind with vhs, with dvds. we're a little bit left behind on streaming. they're not letting the numbers come out. i'm not asking for anything. look, they're going to give me my jobs, but we have to get the numbers. we have to get the information. and we have to get knowledgeable about the issues because i don't understand technology. i just don't. both sides -- we should get scientists in on the negotiations, and find out what the people know. >> as they say, the devil is in the details and i appreciate you being here to give us those details. thank you for joining us tonight. >> only my opinions. my opinions. >> i understand.

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